It baffles me

[preserved_ginger]

I honestly am baffled how people can jump so easily from being a Ten/Rose fangirl to being a Ten II/Rose fangirl without appearing to bat an eyelid.

Another thing I find distinctly off-putting is the idea that everything in the garden’s rosy in terms of Ten II/Rose and their relationship and that they’re both immediately gonna fall head-over-heels in love with each other. One kiss does not madly in love two people make, even a kiss like that one. Meh.

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[dave7.livejournal.com]

Why does it baffle you?

Personally, I've grown to like the idea of TenII/Rose. (And yes, it took some growing in to - when I first saw the kiss I reeled back in shock and very nearly fell off my couch!)

It might be because I've come to see TenII *as* the Doctor, only, he's a Doctor who's free to love Rose, and of course she'd choose the man who'd love her. I think, too, that it helps our Doctor knowing that somewhere out there there's a version of him loving her. It frees him to do the things he needs to do.

That's not, of course, to say I've given up my original ships. My OTP is Nine/Rose in any case. *g*

[principia-coh.livejournal.com]

If it helps, the 'statute of limitations' on cutting for JE spoilers ends at goinmyway tomorrow.

[maniacalshen.livejournal.com]

It's not that I don't like Ten II, it's that I think Ten I deserves to be happy, damnit. So I can read Rose/Ten II getting together and adjusting without ire, but things pertaining to those couple minutes of Journey's End just drive me nuts.

I really think Ten I needs her more, for a number of reasons. :(

[karenor.livejournal.com]

I'm not one of them?

Well. Like Dave said up there, I see Tenn II as the Doctor.

So it wasn't a matter of jumping ships. It's the same ship to me. So i don't know if it was easily or not. I don't think it applies. Do i ship them, want them to be happy and in love? Yes. Did I from the beginning? Yes.

And I do think they ARE head over heals in love with each other and it doesn't take falling again, really. BUT, that doesn't mean that things are all rosy in the garden. They're going to have issues. Big ones. Abandonment and clinginess and paranoia and second guessings, etc. The differences in lifestyles and just knowing each other again. So especially in the beginning, I could see things being a bit strained. Or more than a bit.

That said, i still don't like the ending and wish things were different, wish somehow everyone could be happy, but fix-it fics are kind of anathema to me right now. Especially if anything horrible happens to Ten II.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

*points up at karenor*

That's pretty much my way of thinking. To me it's the same ship and so they're already in love with each other. But like she said - they'll have new issues to have to work through as well.

[shaela]

I think it’s because, if you believe that Ten II really is the Doctor, and that Rose chose to stay with him (or that she’ll accept him once she has no choice), you can believe they’ll live happily ever after. And since the on-screen Doctor is turning into the Lonely God, I think a lot of people are packing up and moving to Pete’s World. They want to read and write fluffy Doctor/Rose fanfic, so they need to believe that Ten II and Rose are living out that kind of story.

I don’t happen to agree that Ten II is the Doctor, or that Rose chose to stay with him. I don’t see either of those in the text. But I’ve done my fair share of handwaving when it comes to “Journey’s End,” so I’m in no position to throw stones. (On the other hand, the idea that Rose has to accept Ten II because he needs her horrifies me.)

[nostariel]

JE has already shown in the U.S. on the SciFi channel, so it's cool with me if you stop lj-cutting that stuff.

I think if one accepts that 10.5 and 10 are the same person, then the transition doesn't seem so bizarre to them, you know? I don't object to the clone thing on its face b/c I loved it on Farscape, but FS built it up over the course nearly an entire season — they really sold the idea that they were the same man. The writers earned it through the hard work of breaking down the “OMG OUR SCIFI CHARACTER HAS A DOUBLE!” trope. That's not easy to do, and it takes time and subtlety and a skilled hand and a lot of effort, none of which I feel were put into the DW finale.

But I can still read 10.5/Rose, 'cause I go where the porn takes me. /is shallow

[amberfocus.livejournal.com]

I had to write Ten2 before I could believe in him. I really had to get in there inside his head and live with him a while, but once I did I found myself grudgingly and gradually accepting him and I've surprised myself with how much I want this to be a happy ending for them. Because I never thought I'd get here when I was sitting there stunned on the couch watching that beach scene.

I won't stop shipping Ten/Rose or writing it. But same as I write Nine/Rose, I'm open to writing Ten2/Rose and loving them all in different ways. I just look at it as another step forward after accepting the change from Nine to Ten. I know that's hard for many, but the Doctor is an ever-changing character. Always has been. As a long-time fan of Classic Who, I accepted that long ago.

And Rose/Ten2 has the potential for happiness in canon and I don't see that potential there anymore for Rose/Ten except in AU fic. Breaks my heart, but I don't.

[shinyopals.livejournal.com]

I think karenor above has said it better than I could.

But at the same time, I still have my issues with the ship. I still write AU fic and my post JE fix-it fic universe involves Ten II actually being the Fourteenth Doctor because that fixes my issues (which are chiefly about Ten I appearing not to grow as a character, only to slide back - and Fourteen can have emotionally grown since he was Ten; and Ten I being left alone - if he's Fourteen he's still stuck alone for a period of time, but *I'll* live in the knowledge that things get better).

So while to me, Ten II is as much my Doctor as Ten I is (and right now I think I like him *more* because he's not such a tremendous idiot, although I think Ten I needs hugs more than Ten II), it's still a little tricky because I want to work my way around canon!