Thinkety thoughts about the Doctor and Rose.

[preserved_ginger]

Being an OTPer, I feel almost heretical in saying this — but, if the events of Journey’s End were always in RTD’s mind from the beginning of the revival, were we all sold a line when we bought what they were saying about the Doctor being in love with Rose?

Because (playing devil’s advocate just for a minute here) saying “does it need saying?”, the perfect get out in so many ways – and then having a duplicate of yourself, a part-human duplicate of yourself, say the actual words – makes me wonder if all the stories about the Doctor and asexuality are true (in canon, at least).

I’d never say he didn’t love Rose. I’m just starting to wonder now whether he was ever in love with her in the way we understand that term.

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[glory_jean]

I don't believe for minute that RTD had the great four year plan. I think we've been Lucased, Whendoned, etc. (Whichever writer/producer you prefer. I lean toward Whedon - he is clearly the more evil of the two). This is an improvised "get me out this story-line" ending.

I question the inclusion of the romantic angle to begin with. They knew full well the Doctor would never be paired off. Yet they set out emotionally abuse the character at every opportunity. I am really to the point of hoping that whoever plays doc 11 turns out to be crap at pulling off the emo stuff. Perhaps that will discourage the unrelenting angst.

This is why I find Torchwood just laughable. They have lost my suspension of disbelief. I approach it like I would any other soap opera.

(Eep. Sorry for the novel. :o I'll put the rant away now ).

[bananasandroses.livejournal.com]

I don't believe for minute that RTD had the great four year plan. I think we've been Lucased, Whendoned, etc. (Whichever writer/producer you prefer. I lean toward Whedon - he is clearly the more evil of the two). This is an improvised "get me out this story-line" ending.

Hmm. If that’s true, it makes it worse.

Yet they set out emotionally abuse the character at every opportunity.

That’s what I was hoping we’d see less of in this past season. Boy was I ever wrong!

(Eep. Sorry for the novel. :o I'll put the rant away now ).

Oh, no worries. I’ve ranted enough on here before, someone else should get the chance occasionally ;)

[catsfiction.livejournal.com]

I'd have to agree with every word of the above. If there was one question I'd ask RTD it's this - "Did you always mean the Doctor to fall in love, or did you see Billie and Chris together and suddenly have a lightbulb moment?"

With any show, the long-term plot development is going to be affected by actor availability and other resources, also by what plays well with the audience. Having now seen DT in other stuff, including "Hamlet", I do recognise things he does well, almost to the point of being stuck in a groove with them. When DT rejects Ophelia, he does it the way the Doctor rejected Rose - it's about his own hang-ups, hating himself so much he can't really help despising any woman who loves him. And he's good at that, and the audience seem to lap it up, so I think they took the easy option in the end and gave the audience, and DT, more of the same.

In doing so, I feel they betrayed the original optimistic spirit of DW, and it's time for a change. I'll have very mixed feelings about the future if DT stays on for S5. Given the way his stage career's re-ignited, though, that seems unlikely to happen.

[bananasandroses.livejournal.com]

I'd have to agree with every word of the above. If there was one question I'd ask RTD it's this - "Did you always mean the Doctor to fall in love, or did you see Billie and Chris together and suddenly have a lightbulb moment?"

The answer to that question would be a very interesting one, I think. I wouldn’t mind knowing myself.

so I think they took the easy option in the end and gave the audience, and DT, more of the same.

That could go some way to explaining why they persisted with how they’ve kept making the Doctor lose everything important to him over the past two seasons since Doomsday. At the moment the only thing he hasn’t lost at least semi-permanently is the TARDIS (and I hope RTD hasn’t had ideas in that direction for the Specials).

In doing so, I feel they betrayed the original optimistic spirit of DW, and it's time for a change.

Yes, I think I agree with you on both parts there. Where we’ve ended up with this show isn’t anywhere near where they were implying we would.

I'll have very mixed feelings about the future if DT stays on for S5. Given the way his stage career's re-ignited, though, that seems unlikely to happen.

I’m not at all sure I want to watch the Tenth Doctor if Moffat gets his hands on him full-time (I am ambiguous enough about Moffat and Who already).

[helygen.livejournal.com]

I believe he was - and still is - very much in love with Rose; I don't doubt it for a second.

[theorclair.livejournal.com]

I just can't believe that. In part that is because he was about to say it in "Doomsday" but got cut off. Sometimes I wonder if he couldn't say it again because he already used up all his nerve trying to say it once.